There's a lot of non believers on here.

I've said this before but I rather like it so I'll say it again.

When I was about 7 we went to stay with Aunt Doris by the seaside like we always did for our Summer vacation as a family. She lived in a huge old house right beside the quay, which was a sheltered harbour leading out to the sea. Most of my cousins and uncles were lifeboat men and would suddenly sober up and shoot off down to the lifeboat house when the sound of the rocket in the sky sounded. They were needed to go and save someone from the angry sea.

I always thought it was strange that afterwards when the lifeboat returned with the men there would be a crowd of people clapping and praising them for being brave. Even at the age of 7 I thought but ... but... they're only my beer swilling cousins, they're nothing special.

Anway one day I came downstairs and there was a man huddled up in a blanket drinking hot tea and crying "thank God, thank God" by the fireside in her living room. I asked my mum what was wrong with that man and she explained he'd almost drowned and been fished out of the sea by the lifeboat men and brought back to Aunt Doris's to recover.

"Why is he thanking God mummy" I asked, shocked that a man was crying

"oh every drowning man suddenly believes in God dear" she said, knowingly, having spent her life seeing people fished out of the sea first by her grandpa then her father and now my cousins.

So what I'm saying to all you non believers out there is, just be careful when you're out in a boat.


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Comment by Sedona Leigh <MOD> on April 29, 2012 at 6:27am

true that.

Comment by rrobbins on April 29, 2012 at 8:16am

I have faith in science and its miracles. Whatever the scientists tell us, I take it on faith. I don't ask to see the data or study their mysterious ways. And if anyone attacks science, I call for the unbelievers to be ridiculed and despised. I'm being a bit sarcastic, but seriously I don't think people realize how much faith they are placing in science.

Comment by John on April 29, 2012 at 10:29am

I agree with rrobbins.. many scientific theories depend on faith in data, such as this happened 20million years ago... that happened 50 million years ago.. who is doing the fact checking?

Comment by christine-quintessential on April 29, 2012 at 10:49am

Interesting replies from y'all

I think God is love really. You can't see it but you can feel it.

I conclude that everyone should have the freedom to sort their own mind and boat out. Love to you all, especially Syd x

Comment by christine-quintessential on April 29, 2012 at 11:52am

@ tahllulah, interesting and reasonable opinion.

the thing is there is suffering in this world, that is a fact and logic would say 'how can a loving God allow that'

I always think well what exactly did cause that illness, poverty or disaster. If I really go into it there is usually a man made reason for most things. The big disaster in my childhood was when lots of children in Wales were killed when the huge waste heap (from the coal mining) became loose from the wind and rain and fell on the school. How could God let this happen everyone said, but in actual fact they shouldn't have put an unstable waste heap near a school.

@ lima, I have also had nearest and dearest die from cancer. I am interested to know exactly what does cause cancer and suspect far back it comes from cell changes in our ancestors due to pollution etc For instance it's a fact the rivers were messed up from the gold and silver mining way back. There are many cases of such pollution, all in the name of greed. It would be interesting to pool all our knowledge on this issue. I think a lot of cancer causing substances are played down as people make money from whatever they are. Anyway I could rant about cancer for ever. We'll probably all get it (possibly needlessly) in the end.

Comment by Diesel Bodine on April 29, 2012 at 12:08pm

1. Ancient people with no knowledge of the realities of how & why the universe (and life on Earth) came into existence tried to explain those hows and whys.

2. People seeking such answers had available the explanations of others ("prophets") as the fulfillment to answers they were seeking. The various explanations would find/create followers in geographical areas and beyond by dissemination, proselytizing and conquest.

3. The conjectured answers would be combined with obvious tales of wisdom, history, fables, cultural realities, and be presented as "divine" truth in documents (scripture) and by word of mouth (preaching) as "inspired" testimonial for the followers to live and learn by.

4. Fulfilling expectation, emotionalism, superstition, punishments & rewards attributed to "god", lack of alternate or realistic knowledge, fear of retribution from other believers, power and a need to feel devotion would serve to maintain the status quo of the various "religious" communities and maintain the existence of their "belief systems" over the years, centuries and millennia.

5. Prejudice against & alienation toward people with no or dissimilar beliefs strengthens the mutual bonding of those within a "religious" community. Belief that others must be unwelcome, ignorant or evil if they don't followed the "inspired word" adds to the human desire to be elitist regarding themselves and others of their belief system.

6. Complicated questions regarding reality are responded to with simplistic, concocted & unprovable answers. Questioning/disbelieving these simplistic answers is not approved of and has been cause for disassociation, persecution, prosecution, torture and murder over the years.

7. The status quo of religion is deeply entwined with cultures, geographical areas and political  entities (nations). Religions retain themselves by being self-propagating. They contain not only those who have been raised within their system, but reach out to others seeking "answers." They are protective of their believers and guard themselves against perceived threats that may arise from both within & outside their communities.

Comment by skibby on April 29, 2012 at 12:24pm

"So what I'm saying to all you non believers out there is, just be careful when you're out in a boat."


that's why it's good to learn how to swim, no? ;P

reminds me of a phrase that might appear to bridge the gap between believers and non-believers:

God Helps Those Who Help Themselves...

...except when one IS trying to help them self, i.e. cancer treatments/faith/prayer/good actions & intentions… but God miraculously decided to take a holiday. 

Comment by SydTheSkeptic on April 29, 2012 at 2:10pm

Tahllulah: "My apologies in the event my honest expressions might not be respectful because that wouldn't be accurate."

Um.  Hello?  Do you not see the irony in that statement?

If someone's uncomfortable at others' self exploration and the honest expression of it (sometimes for the sake of connection with those who are like-minded or to be challenged on it because they're NOT uncomfortable around friendly debate), they need to question why they feel so defensive and uneasy around it while at the same time asking others to excuse them for their own self-expression. 

It's not about them no matter how much they try to make it about them just so they can suppress the diverse views of others.  You think just because there's no god to assert that that means they have nothing of value to assert about their own beliefs?  

Arrogance, indeed.

But we can go back and forth like this forever and get nowhere.

The fact is, I don't mind anyone that people assert their beliefs but if they do,  it doesn't rattle me.  I see it as an invitation to engage, not a friggin' kick in the butt of my own beliefs.  We're all sharing this planet and we don't get to decide what others choose to talk about just because WE think it's disrespectful, as though their discomfort is justified by some kind of righteous default. 


I care that you or others are sensitive, but I don't agree that that should shut people up.  I see it as unhealthy and as something THEY need to explore for themselves,  not at the expense of others simply engaging. 

Again, in case I wasn't clear, it's not about believers being made to feel uncomfortable, it's about non-believers and those who question their beliefs having a platform to connect and engage.

Comment by SydTheSkeptic on April 29, 2012 at 2:56pm

Chig- I hear ya.  Nothing new, though.  Walls are a matter of ego.  Bridges are about humility and self-awareness.  If we keep viewing the assertions of diverse beliefs as an act against us, what chances are there for bridges then?

Comment by SydTheSkeptic on April 29, 2012 at 4:22pm

Yes, I think I've finally hit that wall you speak of, Chig.  "Nothing" is starting to sound pretty good vs. my own friends suggesting certain topics should be off limits. 

That's disheartening and frankly, for the first time I'm feeling I no longer have a place here if even the wisest folks see value in the silencing of differing perspectives.


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